Thursday, February 11, 2010

BYU-Schmyu Honor Code

Another thing I just don't get-when in Rome live by Rome's laws. The BYU honor code.

To read some bloggers you'd think the Spanish Inquisition was in place. So, never having personally attended the Y, I guess I just don't quite get the allure and the reason for staying if one is unhappy. Oh-your parents are paying for your education you say? Hmmmm. Well one could choose to pay their own way. Of course, few universities on the planet are as affordable as the BYU's for those who qualify for the super duper member rates. Or is it that you want all the benefits of affiliation with said university (networking, high ranking, and status)and not the baggage?

Sorry, if you are not feeling the love, sign me "a product of fine non-Utah community college, public university undergrad, Methodist and Jesuit grad school programs," Quiet Song.

Interesting take on Catholic University's honor code as it pertains to things sexuuual.

It seems to me if you are going to a religion's flagship university and that religion has strictly constrained certain types of sexual activity one may expect certain types of monitoring.


  1. I agree completely, QS.

    I had a friend who attended a religious university in California. She signed an honor code, but did everything she could to break it while she was there. I agree- no one holds a gun to anyone's head and MAKES them attend a certain university. If you go, and you sign the honor code, then keep it. If you do not want to abide by the honor code, then don't go to said university and don't sign something knowing you are going to break it. Doesn't anyone's word mean anything these days?? gees.

    Hope you are doing well, QS. Love and respect, always. slp

  2. Mostly I agree, but it's worth taking into account that many guys sign the honor code years before they come out. It's natural to resent being held to a contract made without all the facts.

  3. I agree with your point, but people in this position really do deserve a bit more sympathy. Most of them signed the honor code when they were 17. They were either ignorant of their sexual orientation, or thought that the spiritual environment at the Y would cure/invalidate any temptations.

    Fast forward 1 year as a freshmen, 2 years of a mission, and another year after that, and suddenly people can be in a completely different place. The time investment, accumulation of credits, major progress, and residency status can make transferring to another school extremely difficult. I'm not saying this is an excuse for people to go sleep with every gay guy on campus, just that we should understand it's not a simple matter to change schools.

  4. I agree that residency is an issue, usually one year of credits. However, with the large number of students who change majors, add majors, take time off or otherwise largely extend their college experience years beyond what used to be considered typical, I believe very few persons are actually truly "trapped" by an honor code.

    Most unviversities residency requirements are a year for undergrad. There is an art to transferring schools at the graduate level I've done it and served on a Dean's committe of transfer students. I can tell you some institutions are extremely welcoming of transfer students and would position themselves as such for marketing purposes but they'd have problems with their peer institutions if they did. Therefore, I'm not feeling much more sympathetic, but I'll grant you that there may be a year a person has to continue with conduct approved under your school's honor code. This my friends is doable.

    So far all of the Song family have accumulated frequent transfer miles, which makes for busy telemarketing activity on the Song family phone from many university alumni fundraising offices.